Some really cool sounds in this track. The intro, builds, stops and starts all sound great and makes the track feel a lot shorter than almost 6 minutes.
Yo. You reply quickly and intelligently. Some people do neither. Good stuff.
Yes, I was surprised at the lack of bass in this. Most people into dnb go crazy for it, me very much included.
“I personally like it when a track comes back to its heart”
I totally agree and I do that a lot in my own work, including what I call ‘bookending’, where I start and end a track with similar sections. However, in my tracks, there are journeys through so many sections and changes so bringing it back to the heart, the original vibe, I find binds it all together a bit better. Like finally returning to your original point during a conversation that has taken in many topics.
But, here’s the problem with how you’ve done it in your track. You’ve basically got a quiet intro and built that to something good and powerful. But you’ve then gone straight back to that same intro and built it again in almost exactly the same way as before (perhaps just straight copy and paste of parts). It’s not really interesting to hear it twice in such quick succession as I know what’s coming.
Now, if you stick in a different section to break up that return to the quiet intro build, that might well work. That would be ‘returning to the heart’ after a while away from it.
Or, you can go for what I suggested, which is stick some mid-level intense beats in there (eg fat midtempo ones), which will keep the energy going nicely after dropping back down from that first dnb section.
That’s why I said you need to think much harder about your structure as you have good elements but I think a cleverer structure, with a better flow of energy, would help a lot. But no problem if you totally disagree regarding suggestions for this track. You did say “you've given me a lot to think about for future tracks” so that’ll do for me.
I totally get what you're saying. I think that because I haven't fully developed my musical ear, I am prone to coming back to old habits/routines. I also have a habit of mixing genres when perhaps sticking to one is best. I often feel that I cant improve upon a section in a song, so I instinctively just repeat it.
I'll definitely pay more attention to this in the future though. As for this track, its been a learning curve.
This is a pumpin mix! I dig it! The synths you've used sound really nice. The vocal parts work great for this style of song! Definitely the sort of track I can get into. Excellent work! Fave!
This is different. DNB was one of my early favourite genres - Goldie, Grooverider, etc
I like anything with flutes. Good buildup and introduction before the main drums kick in at 1.40. Then the quiet parts again, I would have carried on with the synths here(or another pad) from the busy section before or have them going at a lower level then fading it up incremently.
But DnB brings back many memories for me and your song definitely did. Thanks for sharing. - B
Anyway, yours is good too. Very beautiful on 0:23. Flute sample blended with vocal?
0:44 classic little filtered dnb beat plus simple blocky chords and vocalisations. All sitting nicely.
Building now and kick drum build means it's going to drop and go big.
1:39 it does drop and it's good. Problem is that lead trancey synth is too loud, getting in way of drums. And there's no real bassline. Not sure I can hear one at all so it sounds too thin. No bottom, you see.
Back to quiet. Problem here is that you've kind of gone right back to the same structure as you already covered. So, it's not so interesting to hear pretty much the same build again. I thought it looked like an odd structure just from viewing the waveform and before pressing play.
Still no proper bass in second big breakout. There is an off beat sort of bassline but it's not covering the low end. I'd keep it in but add the low end the track is crying out for.
5:10 return to flute sounds good again.
I like your elements but think you need to think much harder about your structure.
On 2:23 I'd probably kick into a fat mid tempo killer groove ie not d'n'b at all. A whole range of good ones will slot right in (eg many from my track Trial By Ordeal that you liked) so give some a go as that'll help a lot with the structure.
Good tips. I definitely need to get some bass going on in there after the drop. I also agree that the the 'punctuated' end of the big synth section is a little too immediate. In fact, all my uploads have a strong punctuated end at some point in the track -- something I need to work on. As for the repetition, thats probably the influence of all the psytrance I listen to. I personally like it when a track comes back to its heart, so I'd probably keep the repetition in there -- its just a personal preferance of mine.
Good advice though -- you've given me a lot to think about for future tracks.
Nice Work! I wrote an entire song to this instrumental in less than 5 seconds! That's how much it got me pumped and how beautifully it flowed. The drum pattern had me up dancing. I don't know WHY but this reminds me of Janelle Monae. Possibly something she'd dance to in her black and white. I SUCK at feedback if you couldn't tell.. but a good track is a good track and overall you've got gold here.
If you don't mind or have the time, check out my "Jonestown massacre" track on my profile, (its also available on iTunes #shamelessplug) I made the beat for that song with loops I found on this site. I wrote/performed the vocals for it too. New to this site so if you're down to collab maybe we can hook something up!?
Nice synths and vocals. I agree with SJ though on some things. There needs to be a bit more punch in the drums and kick. It's not fleshed out enough, the flute however sounds fine to me when it came in. This has more of a dance like vibe going on rather than dnb. Mainly because there isn't a roll to it, not much at least. Just a bit of honest critique, I never sugar coat my words if i hear something I think could be better. Come back to this one over time, great track. peace
I followed your suggestions and the kicks and drums are a lot stronger now.
I tend to underpower my drums and kicks on my tracks, which is a bad habit of mine. I replaced the original kick with a more agressive one this time and turned up the knob on the side-chaining -- has much more powerful punch now.
Yeah, this probably is more Dance than Drum and Base, or something in between.
Yes!
I hear the changes - sounds better.
The drums really do come through punchier now and the reverb works, and the little vocal in the end - LOVE it!
Very good chilled parts and the intro is amazing, I love that autotuned (?) vocal sample there right in the beginning - you could bring it back later on also, it's really beautiful that way.
The uptempo parts could have more movement and some more punch in the drumline and more...reverb (I tend to missuse and overuse reverb because I love the sound of it but here you almost have a little too dry sounds mixed together I think).
The flute sample definitely needs more reverb and maybe a hint of delay?
These are just a few suggestions I thought of while listening, but I'm an amatour with a bit of unusual musical taste so don't take this too seriously... =)
There will be better guidelines coming from the others here.
But a GREAT start!
DnB is one of my old favourite genres so I'll be keeping an eye on this to hear how it developes.
Yeah, I totally agree with the uptempo part -- it sounded a bit weak and 'muddy', if that's the right word. I changed up the the pad to be a bit more aggressive and clean (I think it sound a lot more powerful now).
I side-chained the drum pattern, so it comes out a lot clearer and louder now. As for the reverb, I also tend to overdo it, so I decided to do less this time -- bad mistake! I put more reverb on the vocals and flute and you were absolutely right, it does sound a lot better.
I also put the intro vocals at the end, since you liked them so much.
Again, thanks for the good suggestions/advice -- sometimes I get too close to a track and can't hear it properly any more -- so another set of ears is of great importance.
What a nice piece of music. I liked the voicesound, it´s very cool. And also al this "little" sounds around. First time i listen to it with not much volume and then i read the comments and THEN i read something about drums :) .... ok others already told you about them .... i realy didnd hear them the first listen :) but all sounded good to me.
For my opinion the way from part 2 to 3 is a bit hard to go. I needed a few seconds and i was not realy sure if its the same song. But thats just my believe.
All sounds very well to me and i could could listen to it without any problems two times.
What a nice piece of music. I liked the voicesound, it´s very cool. And also al this "little" sounds around. First time i listen to it with not much volume and then i read the comments and THEN i read something about drums :) .... ok others already told you about them .... i realy didnd hear them the first listen :) but all sounded good to me.
For my opinion the way from part 2 to 3 is a bit hard to go. I needed a few seconds and i was not realy sure if its the same song. But thats just my believe.
All sounds very well to me and i could could listen to it without any problems two times.
Yeah, the drums need to shine more, no doubt. I need to read up more on mixing, particularly equalizing and mastering though, that area is still rather confusing to me. Prior to this track, I didn't even know that sub-bass was a thing and I tended to ignore equalizing all together! Regardless, this was a fun track to work on.
This was a fun listen
Someone earlier mentioned that the panning was kind of heavy handed but I like the movement in it.
I love the sonics of it and it remains musical.
Definately a Fav and it will warrant atleast a half dozen more plays/discoveries.
Peace
BT
Thanks for the comment. I find it interesting that you and M8TN have opposing views on the vocal panning. I think that because the track is very experimental, there are no 'genre guidelines' as to what it should sound like, so its down to the listener's gut to decide. When creating this track, I was going for a sensory experience over a purely musical experience. When doing the panning on the vocals, the image I had in mind was of some ethereal spirit dancing around you.
That being said, to find the sweet spot between the sensory and the musical can only be done by getting feedback from all you guys that comment, which I really appreciate.
I like a lot of your tracks, this again is very beautiful to listen. (the panning up to 2:13 with headphones is a bit obvious, I think too much, after that I really love it)
take it easy
I very much enjoyed listening to this piece of great music, it has a bit of everything in it, great dynamics and movement, chilled parts and the beautiful sounds of nature...
A fascinating piece!
Can't say much about the techinacal part though, I'm a novice myself. But cool panning. The drums drowning in the first part really didn't bother me. Great use of the vocal. Loved the piano coming through the rain!
Thanks for the DL.
I like about anything with nice bird songs, so I liked this from the beginning! The really big sounding synth in parts is really cool! I think the mix sounds very good, including panning and EQ. My only personal preference that isn't satisfied is that the drums are very low and not really there in the earlier parts of the song. It's not a big deal though, because I realize that's not what you were going for. The thumder sounded like it was coming from outside! Nice organic feel you achieved, well done!
Truth be told, I really wanted the drums in the early part the song to be more prominent. I tried sidechaining the kicks and removing the low end of the pads, but I just couldn't get them to shine out over the pads and vocals -- I just don't have the technical skills to get this right.
Anyway, thanks a lot for the comment. Creating this track has taught me many skills I hope to use in the future.
I like the way you blend the vocals in with the synth. The intro reminded me a little of an old war flute player or something. The bird noises are pretty trippy as is the vocal with the panning effect. It's a hard track to put in any particular genre so i'll have to say it's a pretty original piece.
Good work.
FR
Oh Snap! This track got proper all of a sudden with just a few changes. Keep tweaking, it's paying off bigtime!
Automation is the key imo.
Good job.
-Slimm
Nice. I like what you did with the panning. Especially on that big chorus pad. The drums sound better too!
I don't know if you're still working with one speaker, but if you are, it's pretty impressive to get that done with one ear!
That little voice is a neat one. It stays with you after the track is finished. It definitely adds to the whole dreamy-chill factor.
Again, excellent work. Keep 'em comin'!
Take care.
V.
I found my headphones, so I finally got the panning done. As you suggested, I added a bit of delay to the chorus pad to smooth it out. I also mirrored the chorus pad with a Saw, to give the sound a more 'bold' tone.
Thanks for the suggestions though, it has really helped bring this track to life.
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Good job man.
RW
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Yes, I was surprised at the lack of bass in this. Most people into dnb go crazy for it, me very much included.
“I personally like it when a track comes back to its heart”
I totally agree and I do that a lot in my own work, including what I call ‘bookending’, where I start and end a track with similar sections. However, in my tracks, there are journeys through so many sections and changes so bringing it back to the heart, the original vibe, I find binds it all together a bit better. Like finally returning to your original point during a conversation that has taken in many topics.
But, here’s the problem with how you’ve done it in your track. You’ve basically got a quiet intro and built that to something good and powerful. But you’ve then gone straight back to that same intro and built it again in almost exactly the same way as before (perhaps just straight copy and paste of parts). It’s not really interesting to hear it twice in such quick succession as I know what’s coming.
Now, if you stick in a different section to break up that return to the quiet intro build, that might well work. That would be ‘returning to the heart’ after a while away from it.
Or, you can go for what I suggested, which is stick some mid-level intense beats in there (eg fat midtempo ones), which will keep the energy going nicely after dropping back down from that first dnb section.
That’s why I said you need to think much harder about your structure as you have good elements but I think a cleverer structure, with a better flow of energy, would help a lot. But no problem if you totally disagree regarding suggestions for this track. You did say “you've given me a lot to think about for future tracks” so that’ll do for me.
I'll definitely pay more attention to this in the future though. As for this track, its been a learning curve.
Again, thanks for the advice.
Kind regards,
Steve
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I like anything with flutes. Good buildup and introduction before the main drums kick in at 1.40. Then the quiet parts again, I would have carried on with the synths here(or another pad) from the busy section before or have them going at a lower level then fading it up incremently.
But DnB brings back many memories for me and your song definitely did. Thanks for sharing. - B
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Like the deserts miss the rain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4sPkS8b62Q
Remember that song?
Anyway, yours is good too. Very beautiful on 0:23. Flute sample blended with vocal?
0:44 classic little filtered dnb beat plus simple blocky chords and vocalisations. All sitting nicely.
Building now and kick drum build means it's going to drop and go big.
1:39 it does drop and it's good. Problem is that lead trancey synth is too loud, getting in way of drums. And there's no real bassline. Not sure I can hear one at all so it sounds too thin. No bottom, you see.
Back to quiet. Problem here is that you've kind of gone right back to the same structure as you already covered. So, it's not so interesting to hear pretty much the same build again. I thought it looked like an odd structure just from viewing the waveform and before pressing play.
Still no proper bass in second big breakout. There is an off beat sort of bassline but it's not covering the low end. I'd keep it in but add the low end the track is crying out for.
5:10 return to flute sounds good again.
I like your elements but think you need to think much harder about your structure.
On 2:23 I'd probably kick into a fat mid tempo killer groove ie not d'n'b at all. A whole range of good ones will slot right in (eg many from my track Trial By Ordeal that you liked) so give some a go as that'll help a lot with the structure.
Hope those suggestions are of some use.
Good advice though -- you've given me a lot to think about for future tracks.
Kind regards,
Steve
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simply magic.Keep it up bro
Kind regards,
Steve
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If you don't mind or have the time, check out my "Jonestown massacre" track on my profile, (its also available on iTunes #shamelessplug) I made the beat for that song with loops I found on this site. I wrote/performed the vocals for it too. New to this site so if you're down to collab maybe we can hook something up!?
-Kèla
Kind regards,
Steve
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-Charlene
Kind regards,
Steve
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Thanks for the kinds words.
Kind regards,
Steve
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Gramo/Neo
I tend to underpower my drums and kicks on my tracks, which is a bad habit of mine. I replaced the original kick with a more agressive one this time and turned up the knob on the side-chaining -- has much more powerful punch now.
Yeah, this probably is more Dance than Drum and Base, or something in between.
Thanks for the suggestions/comment.
Kind regards,
Steve
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I hear the changes - sounds better.
The drums really do come through punchier now and the reverb works, and the little vocal in the end - LOVE it!
Kind regards,
Steve
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The uptempo parts could have more movement and some more punch in the drumline and more...reverb (I tend to missuse and overuse reverb because I love the sound of it but here you almost have a little too dry sounds mixed together I think).
The flute sample definitely needs more reverb and maybe a hint of delay?
These are just a few suggestions I thought of while listening, but I'm an amatour with a bit of unusual musical taste so don't take this too seriously... =)
There will be better guidelines coming from the others here.
But a GREAT start!
DnB is one of my old favourite genres so I'll be keeping an eye on this to hear how it developes.
Cheers!
/SJ =)
I side-chained the drum pattern, so it comes out a lot clearer and louder now. As for the reverb, I also tend to overdo it, so I decided to do less this time -- bad mistake! I put more reverb on the vocals and flute and you were absolutely right, it does sound a lot better.
I also put the intro vocals at the end, since you liked them so much.
Again, thanks for the good suggestions/advice -- sometimes I get too close to a track and can't hear it properly any more -- so another set of ears is of great importance.
Thanks again.
Kind regards,
Steve
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For my opinion the way from part 2 to 3 is a bit hard to go. I needed a few seconds and i was not realy sure if its the same song. But thats just my believe.
All sounds very well to me and i could could listen to it without any problems two times.
Good work
joe
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For my opinion the way from part 2 to 3 is a bit hard to go. I needed a few seconds and i was not realy sure if its the same song. But thats just my believe.
All sounds very well to me and i could could listen to it without any problems two times.
Good work
joe
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those drums do need to be crisper.. all of which can be done in post production with eq and some compression..
just and idea I would try reversing those bird sounds as a layer in the back ground..
some nice work just needs a bloody good going over in post production .. you could have yourself a banger here if you could get that right..
nice one ...keep 'em coming brother
Kind regards,
Steve
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Someone earlier mentioned that the panning was kind of heavy handed but I like the movement in it.
I love the sonics of it and it remains musical.
Definately a Fav and it will warrant atleast a half dozen more plays/discoveries.
Peace
BT
That being said, to find the sweet spot between the sensory and the musical can only be done by getting feedback from all you guys that comment, which I really appreciate.
Thanks for the comment.
Kind regards,
Steve
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take it easy
Kind regards,
Steve
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-Charlene
Kind regards,
Steve
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A fascinating piece!
Can't say much about the techinacal part though, I'm a novice myself. But cool panning. The drums drowning in the first part really didn't bother me. Great use of the vocal. Loved the piano coming through the rain!
Thanks for the DL.
Kind regards,
Steve
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Anyway, thanks a lot for the comment. Creating this track has taught me many skills I hope to use in the future.
Kind regards,
Steve
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Good work.
FR
Thanks for the comment.
Kind regards,
Steve
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Thanks for the comment.
Kind regards,
Steve
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-Charlene
Kind regards,
Steve
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Automation is the key imo.
Good job.
-Slimm
Kind regards,
Steve
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I don't know if you're still working with one speaker, but if you are, it's pretty impressive to get that done with one ear!
That little voice is a neat one. It stays with you after the track is finished. It definitely adds to the whole dreamy-chill factor.
Again, excellent work. Keep 'em comin'!
Take care.
V.
Thanks for the suggestions though, it has really helped bring this track to life.
Kind regards,
-Steve