Description : Here's a bit of a collab I did with another fabulous guitarist here on Looperman named Kargalar. I added the guitar leads and several drum fills and nuances. Hes always looking for collabs and inviting others to add to his tracks. I actually worked up all the material well over a year ago and then got busy with something else and forgot about it. Stumbled back onto it during the virus lock down and decided to finish it up.
If you like this make sure to check out Kargalars track list.
I'm not quite sure what your referring to as "low end guitar". Since Kargalar did the rhythm guitar I'm not exactly sure about his set up but in his profile he mentions an SM-57 which is the same mic I use for recording live through the amp. No mention of what he's using for effects but I would assume if hes recording through the amp hes probably using pedals and in this case it sounds like overdrive, maybe slight distortion, so he could be using a Boss SD-1 or maybe an Ibanez Tube Screamer. Of course hes pushing the amp, with a fair amount of gain. Hes also playing a PRS Mark Tremonti SE with dual humbuckers which is a very potent guitar that can produce some quality tone. I'm playing a Suhr Strat standard with 2 v60 singles and an SSH HO dual. Its a direct in set up here with an amp sim. I applied delay and reverb effects in the vst.
There is a bass track in there but the guitars and drums are clearly more dominant in the mix.
The easy guitar you mention is all Kargalar and yeah, I dig that too. That little section works perfect to de-pressurize things, drop the intensity a bit to allow some cool string and stick work to lead in to that nice build section. I know its kind of short but its pretty much dictated by the structure here. Stretching it out wouldn't work as well.
Don't know if any of this really answers your question bro but I gave it a shot. Thanks a lot for the comments.
Awesome. The percussion really hits home with this one. Definately nineties feel. Even a little Dream Theatre like (Constant Motion) Without the insane breaks they do. Nice work my friend.
Steven
Thanks for the post Steve. Yeah drums are really in your face and in your ears here. I really loved the structure of this track and the drums set so big in the mix. I just made them a bit bigger. Again I gotta give all the props to Kargalar here, without his input, all I did was make a bunch of noise.
First off, I like the mix, solid, open. Cool collab, got no complaints or criticisms, thought the lead could have been a bit louder around 2:10 but so minor a suggestion. Dig it man!
Hey Wayne, your wish is my command bro. I checked it out and sure enough that lead was on a lower volume than the others(?) so I leveled it up and yeah you were right, sounds better. So, as always thanks for the feedback, especially when it involves improving the track.
Excellent work! I went and listened to his original. (I'll be listening to more of his work). I can see how you would categorize it as a Tremonti style. It does have kind of a late 90's feel to it. I was never a huge fan of his bands, but I can appreciate the talent.
I know you're a fan of the classic rock, but what about Eddie VanHalen specifically? I can hear a lot of his style in this one. Maybe it's just me. But it reminds me a lot of "1984". Which, is a good thing. I loved that album.
Speaking of collaborations, why have you and Evisma never collaborated? Between your guitars and his bass... I mean, come on man, that's what legends are made of!
I was hoping you would check this out Aaron. Man I would of thought you to be a fan of the alternative/grunge music, especially considering your location. Your right there in the birthplace brother.
Actually I was a huge Eddie VanHalen fan. Still am pretty much. Even though I lost a lot of respect for them when they sold out and went pop. I was an EVH disciple for a while, especially after that first album. Damn, what guitar player wasn't? I spent countless hours trying to learn his techniques and how he created some of those sounds. I posted a track a few years back that was kind of a VanHalen thing. I made the mistake of putting some Dave Lee Roth snippits in it and got some backlash so I took it down.
As far as Evan goes, I mean yeah, hes awesome and I have always admired and respected his talent, for sure. As far as collabs though, I'm really not much into them. I've done a few but they tend to be uncomfortable. Don't get me wrong, I love making music and I love interfacing with other musicians but working together can be difficult. Its why I quit playing in bands. So I don't really approach others for collabs but if someone asks I don't think I've ever said no.
Thanks for your constant support bro, I always appreciate hearing what you have to say in any capacity whatsoever.
Whoa! This thing is killer man! Super nice work with those drums/fills that makes all the difference in making it sound real and professional in my opinion. The guitar work is really good and the mix is very clean! You guys should keep collaborating and be a"virtual band"! :) Thanks for sharing this!
First of all .. the drums are killer. nice collab with the guitar player. I was vibing to this rock track, what the hell is going on. :) The guitar player is working it.
Great sounding clear mix. Nice lead work. Live instruments are so much harder to mix than plugins, but you pretty much nailed it. It is also loud but not compressed (or very little), which is another hard thing to do.
I really liked this track when I first heard it. The drum track really stood out and is a focal point in the mix. I thought to add a bit more polish just to emphasize it even more. Kargalars rhythm track here is super cool also. I guess I would categorize it as Alternative, it reminds me of early Mark Tremonte stuff. I tried a few different approaches for the lead and settled on the intense or more aggressive styling. I thought it worked better dynamically than the slower more melodic stuff I had. I tried to avoid over compression but I think I ended up with a few spots where its a bit muddy. His original track is loud so I had to tweek the eq and make some adjustments where I added the lead.
He actually did more work on the original track and added some nice vocals. He has a pretty slick Video version of it on YouTube. You can check it out from the link in the original in his track list.
Thanks for checking this out and giving me the feedback. I really appreciate it.
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The easy guitar around 2.30ish is really nice, wish it was a tiny bit longer xd
Mastering is very well done and have zero complaints!
Cheers!
~Eighteen
I'm not quite sure what your referring to as "low end guitar". Since Kargalar did the rhythm guitar I'm not exactly sure about his set up but in his profile he mentions an SM-57 which is the same mic I use for recording live through the amp. No mention of what he's using for effects but I would assume if hes recording through the amp hes probably using pedals and in this case it sounds like overdrive, maybe slight distortion, so he could be using a Boss SD-1 or maybe an Ibanez Tube Screamer. Of course hes pushing the amp, with a fair amount of gain. Hes also playing a PRS Mark Tremonti SE with dual humbuckers which is a very potent guitar that can produce some quality tone. I'm playing a Suhr Strat standard with 2 v60 singles and an SSH HO dual. Its a direct in set up here with an amp sim. I applied delay and reverb effects in the vst.
There is a bass track in there but the guitars and drums are clearly more dominant in the mix.
The easy guitar you mention is all Kargalar and yeah, I dig that too. That little section works perfect to de-pressurize things, drop the intensity a bit to allow some cool string and stick work to lead in to that nice build section. I know its kind of short but its pretty much dictated by the structure here. Stretching it out wouldn't work as well.
Don't know if any of this really answers your question bro but I gave it a shot. Thanks a lot for the comments.
Steven
Wayne
I know you're a fan of the classic rock, but what about Eddie VanHalen specifically? I can hear a lot of his style in this one. Maybe it's just me. But it reminds me a lot of "1984". Which, is a good thing. I loved that album.
Speaking of collaborations, why have you and Evisma never collaborated? Between your guitars and his bass... I mean, come on man, that's what legends are made of!
Actually I was a huge Eddie VanHalen fan. Still am pretty much. Even though I lost a lot of respect for them when they sold out and went pop. I was an EVH disciple for a while, especially after that first album. Damn, what guitar player wasn't? I spent countless hours trying to learn his techniques and how he created some of those sounds. I posted a track a few years back that was kind of a VanHalen thing. I made the mistake of putting some Dave Lee Roth snippits in it and got some backlash so I took it down.
As far as Evan goes, I mean yeah, hes awesome and I have always admired and respected his talent, for sure. As far as collabs though, I'm really not much into them. I've done a few but they tend to be uncomfortable. Don't get me wrong, I love making music and I love interfacing with other musicians but working together can be difficult. Its why I quit playing in bands. So I don't really approach others for collabs but if someone asks I don't think I've ever said no.
Thanks for your constant support bro, I always appreciate hearing what you have to say in any capacity whatsoever.
I think I gotta fav this.
Ronabo
Nice work, hope I hear more.
He actually did more work on the original track and added some nice vocals. He has a pretty slick Video version of it on YouTube. You can check it out from the link in the original in his track list.
Thanks for checking this out and giving me the feedback. I really appreciate it.