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12th Aug 2023 18:05 - 1 year ago
Description : Three different countries, three different humans, three different feelings, three different worlds... but ONE song...shake hands...

Instruments
Santiago/Chile - SonusOfficial
Looperman Id: 5866578
Song "ID 04" (28.07.23)

Vocals
Moscow/Russia - Ratsouk
Looperman Id: 1383508
Acapella "You Have Come" (17.01.15)

Editing + Arrangement
Hamburg/Germany - Seelengold
Looperman Id: 5752030
(July/August 23)

Comments (6)

If you have time take a listen and give Seelengold some feedback.

BaoBou
BaoBou 23rd Aug 2023 16:33 - 1 year ago
Gave it another listen:
- love the guitar and clap
- the vocal untl 0:36 is partially offbeat and that's perfect and very cool
- then in 0:37 I first felt it went into a different tempo but I think you skipped or inserted a beat
- then at 0:44 there's a sudden change, especially in loudness, but here it really goes into a lower tempo
- the change at 1:24 I liked, and again back to the original tempo/rhythm
- Then at 2:00 and 2:07 something similar happens as above which I don't fully understand with my tiny brain.

I suspect all of this might be fine, but it would help me if the transitions are either more gradual, or possibly "announced" in advance, so I understand what's going on.

Or not, and that's also fine, I'm just trying to explain what I heard and meant :) Oh and btw lovely clear production!
Have a fantastic day!
Seelengold
Seelengold replied 27th Aug 2023 - 1 year ago
Hello BaoBou,

you have correctly addressed all places where every ear involuntarily pays attention.

But it is at no place an oversight, but was actually made by me with declared intention so. One can argue about that, of course, but in the end it is a matter of taste. You like it or you don't.

"Or not, and that's also fine, I'm just trying to explain what I heard and meant :)"
Thanks for your two comments and the related time you gave me/the song.

I'm quite glad that the track was not judged as a technical renovation case. Because as I said, about taste you can argue, about possibly glaring technical deficiencies not.

Thank you!

Seelengold
ClickbaitCabaret
ClickbaitCabaret 22nd Aug 2023 21:21 - 1 year ago
Something of a smorgasbord, but it has enough consistency to hold it together for a smooth landing. Great job.
Seelengold
Seelengold replied 24th Aug 2023 - 1 year ago
Hello Clickbait,

It doesn't have an intuitively instantaneous context of meaning, I quite agree with that. After rather yes restrained vocals one does not expect so necessarily with quite abruptly and quite impetuously beginning strong instrumental contrariness. But that's intentional, because otherwise the song would probably have quickly taken on an exclusively sentimental character, which I wanted to avoid.

"but it has enough consistency", thank you!
Because also from my point of view this is given. In contrast to the usually common intact consistency of a track, however, I would name the term "Broken consistency" here and consider it a perfectly permissible technique, as a fully suitable stylistic device.

Thanks for your comment!

Kind regards

Seelengold
2Sisters
2Sisters 15th Aug 2023 15:09 - 1 year ago
Hallo,
zunaechst mal moechte ich sagen, dass Evguenia (Ratsouk) eine wunderbare junge Kuenstlerin ist. Ich habe auch schon einige Projekte mit ihr machen duerfen.
Zu deinem Song, ich hoere keine stoerenden Geraeusche, die von einem Effektgeraet kommen koennten. Allerdings, das sieht man auch an der Grafik deines Songs, sieht man einige harte Ausschlaege beim Einsetzen des Gesangs. Das drueckt gleichzeitig alle anderen Instrumente nach unten. Das koente von einer Falscheinstellung des Compressors kommen.
Aber es ist schwierig bei mp3 kodierten Material eindeutige Aussagen zu treffen.

Liebe Gruesse Manuela
Seelengold
Seelengold replied 15th Aug 2023 - 1 year ago
Hallo,

stoerende Geraeusche hoert man tatsaechlich nicht.

Es war auch nicht akustisch gmeint, sondern als Empfindung.

Vielen Dank fuer Deine Hinweise.

Freundliche Gruesse

Seelengold
2Sisters
2Sisters 15th Aug 2023 13:00 - 1 year ago
Hier mein Text nochmal in deutsch, weil die Uebersetzung nicht das sagt, was ich ausdruecken moechte.

Hallo,
Nun ja, sehr eigenwillig, nicht gerade das, was ich als harmonisches Lied bezeichnen wuerde. Aber ich denke nicht, dass es auch eins sein sollte. Ich habe eher das Gefuehl, zwischen 2 verschiedenen Fahrgeschaeften auf einem Rummelplatz zu stehen. Obwohl alles als eigenstaendiger musikalischer Ausdruck und Praegung wahrgenommen werden kann, fuegt es sich nicht zusammen. Nun, solche Experimente sind nicht meine
Welt. Aber das muss es ja auch nicht sein.
Grüße Manuela
Seelengold
Seelengold replied 15th Aug 2023 - 1 year ago
Hallo Manuela,

da freue ich mich jetzt aber tatsaechlich so richtig.

Dein Jahrmarkt-Bild mit den zwei Fahrgeschaeften und Du mitten dazwischen trifft es auf den Punkt. Es ist in der Tat sehr gegensaetzlich, was aber auch erklaerte Absicht war.

Ich wollte zu Ratsouks ja eher verhaltener und sensibler Stimme einen Kontrapunkt setzen, damit das Lied nicht Gefahr laeuft, in Seichtheit zu versanden. Insofern sind auch einzelne Uebergaenge bewusst “hart” (kontrast-stark) gewaehlt, um der Gegensaetzlichkeit einen deutlichen Ausdruck zu geben.

Es stimmt; es ist eine Geschmacksfrage, natuerlich. Ich selber – und das ist bei eigenen Werken bei mir normalerweise nicht der Fall – bin in diesem Fall ambivalent. Einerseits gefaellt es mir, andererseits ist ein Stoergeraeusch da... Mal sehen, ob ich das noch irgendwie fuer mich in einen Ausgleich bekomme.

Bei BaoBous Kommentar war/ist mir nicht so richtig klar geworden, ob seine diplomatische Betrachtung nun eher technischer oder geschmacklicher Natur war; deshalb meine Nachfrage an ihn.

Mir ist diese technische Betrachtung sehr wichtig, zumal ich auch das allererste Mal einen Kompressor bei der Bearbeitung eingesetzt habe. Und natuerlich kann ich auf mich alleingestellt nicht halbwegs zuverlaessig einschaetzen, auf welchem technischen Niveau ich mich mit meinem Lied denn so befinde.

Ich waere also auch an Deiner technischen Beurteilung interessiert.

Viele Gruesse

Seelengold
2Sisters
2Sisters 15th Aug 2023 12:51 - 1 year ago
Hello,
well, very idiosyncratic, not exactly what I would call a harmonious song. But I don't think it should be.
I rather have the feeling of standing on a fairground between 2 different rides. Although everything can be perceived as an independent musical expression and imprint, but it does not come together. Well, such experiments are not mine
World. But it doesn't have to be.
Greetings Manuela
BaoBou
BaoBou 12th Aug 2023 21:15 - 1 year ago
I like it, and I love that you guys collaborated from around the world. I'm not 100% everything fully lined up, but the end result is still very cool!
Seelengold
Seelengold replied 13th Aug 2023 - 1 year ago
Hello BaoBou,

thank you for your comment.

"I'm not 100% everything fully lined up"

I know about a certain weakness, but I only noticed it myself very late and a repair was no longer possible with reasonable effort, so I was faced with the question: delete or accept this weakness? I then consciously decided to accept it, since I had already invested a lot of time.

Will you tell me - without diplomatic consideration, which I really don't want at all - what technical weaknesses you see? Without a concrete hint, I can't think about it, but I would like to. One doesn't like to repeat mistakes or to improve oneself.

Many greetings

Seelengold

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